City Council Meeting to Decide Fate of Medical Mar

[cruda]

To All:

Please attend the Modesto City Council meeting next Tuesday, September 13,
2005, to show, by your presence, opposition to an ordinance the Council is
scheduled to pass that would effectively ban future medical cannabis
dispensaries and shut down existing dispensaries through zoning laws.

The meeting will begin at 5:30 p.m., at the Modesto City Council chambers
on the basement level of 1010 Tenth Street, Modesto.

Closing the Modesto dispensaries would force hundreds of sick patients to
travel great distances to obtain medical-grade cannabis. Please show up
(in neat, clean clothes) on September 13 at 5:30.

-Robert Raich

[Disdain4Disposition]

also add, and come sober...and we don't want to bring that coke-bottle eyed fat idiot who looks & babbles like michael moore, either. He made us all look like hypocrites, too...especially when he's the fattest "vegan" I've ever seen on the planet.
Otherwise, we may as well bring gilligan to be spokesperson for all it's worth.

[cruda]

I'm not vegan.

I always come sober.

Might want to actually say who this is, because then your points might hold water.

-doug

[cruda]

"and we don't want to bring that coke-bottle eyed fat idiot who looks & babbles like michael moore, either. He made us all look like hypocrites, too" -

How, you could explain, but then you'd probably run into a wall, I don't think you actually have any points to make, just mud to sling.

"Otherwise, we may as well bring gilligan to be spokesperson for all it's worth. " -

I don't think I was trying to be a spokesperson at all. Maybe you should try and articulate your points better and then you won't have to rely on others to represent them for you.

[Disdain4Disposition]

I was not referring to you.
But the "slinging mud" comment was ironic considering the past pointless vitriol I have seen before in this forum/site.
My "gilligan" remark stemmed from local access channel, when the same character was at the podium and rambled on to the point of senelessness, and sounded more like michael moore, and at times, the characetr wayne knight played on Jurassic Park.
Speaking of articulating, our colleague I described in unflattering fashion could take some lessons in public speaking. I have seen better laypeople off the street speak better...I should know. I am one of them...
Articulate enough? ;-)

[Disdain4Disposition]

On second glance at your previous post, I stand corrected on one point.
Apparently, it IS you I am referring to.
Your speech in front of the council last time was horrific, and they laughed at you later.
It was frustrating to have to watch it, too, as it is hard enough to try and get things done in this podunk of a town without someone screwing it up who really CAN'T "articulate", so skip the "advice" on "articulation" and look in a mirror...and some facts will also help the cause instead of the vitriol I speak about. I've been hammering the man long before ALL of you were born, and cannot believe what the movement has morphed into, which bears little resemblance to yesteryear. If you can't back it up with something substantive (and not that crap you guys keep falling for out of mjc preachers who never held a real job out in the real world in their lives-and McDs doesn't count), you will get run over by the very same propaganda matric you are trying to stop.
It makes no difference whether you accept that or not, it's just the way it is-even I don't like it, but it's reality.
And as for "vegan" bit, you may want to stress your denial more to those you push such platform onto...it would make you look less hypocritical, as they will see it as a conflict of interest, and start to question other motives as well (aka, you have to practice what you preach if you want to get a point across to the masses. Don't lecture 'em on eating green if you're gonna go out and hit BK for grub)...but that's getting off topic...

It's hard enough getting, or keeping, a store open here in this place...and there are plenty of stories the council will hear. You looked like a fool there, and even worse on TV. You ran in circles and you left them with more questions than answers, and it didn't help at all.
It actually made things much worse.

Stick to fnb, you're better at that.

[cruda]

"Your speech in front of the council last time was horrific, and they laughed at you later.
It was frustrating to have to watch it, too, as it is hard enough to try and get things done in this podunk of a town without someone screwing it up who really CAN'T "articulate", so skip the "advice" on "articulation" and look in a mirror...and some facts will also help the cause instead of the vitriol I speak about." -

Firstly, I would hope that whatever I did state to the city council, (who has made it pretty clear that they really don't care about sick people needing medical cannabis), would have less bearing than those that actual need and use cannabis for medical purposes. Meaning, I personally feel that the arguments of those that use medical marijuana should hold more water.

Also, perhaps I did a horrible job speaking, I didn't know that I was being graded. If my performance angered you so much, (or you felt hurt your cause to keep the stores opened), I would hope that you have at least come up and talked to me and let me know that you weren't happy with what I said, and maybe even given me some pointers in the right direction next time.

"I've been hammering the man long before ALL of you were born, and cannot believe what the movement has morphed into, which bears little resemblance to yesteryear." -

This is a pretty broad and sweeping statement, do you want to try and develope this thought?

"If you can't back it up with something substantive (and not that crap you guys keep falling for out of mjc preachers who never held a real job out in the real world in their lives-and McDs doesn't count), you will get run over by the very same propaganda matric you are trying to stop." -

I think that the city elite have made it pretty clear that they aren't interested in keeping the stores open, and they also aren't interested in the good arguments, and also listening to what the people who really need medical cannabis have to say. I think a question we should be asking ourselves if we really care about this issue, is what are we going to do, and what will our response be if the city does vote to close the stores down.

"mjc preachers" - Not following you there. Do we (I) know you? You seem to know alot about us, and you haven't even stated your name or who you are, (I've stated mine).

"And as for "vegan" bit, you may want to stress your denial more to those you push such platform onto...it would make you look less hypocritical, as they will see it as a conflict of interest, and start to question other motives as well (aka, you have to practice what you preach if you want to get a point across to the masses. Don't lecture 'em on eating green if you're gonna go out and hit BK for grub)...but that's getting off topic..." -

Well, bravo! When you don't have any points to make you can always make fat jokes. DAAA Collectives 'kinda' promotes vegetarianism, but we don't promote it as part of a "platform", which we don't even have. Do we table with veg literature, sure, are we all vegetarian/vegan, no.

I think I've eaten at BK in the last three years about 4 times, and it was for fries and veggie burgers, but thanks somehow knowing my dietary habits.

We also largly don't "lecture" the public on eating green, (don't know actually what eating green is, I'm assuming that even meat eaters eat greens). We've done one event in the last couple years that even remotely deals with protesting an establishment while "promoting" a vegetarian agenda, however, (a KFC protest), we focused more on connecting KFC with urban sprawl, and it's un-unionized work force.

"It's hard enough getting, or keeping, a store open here in this place...and there are plenty of stories the council will hear. You looked like a fool there, and even worse on TV. You ran in circles and you left them with more questions than answers, and it didn't help at all.
It actually made things much worse." -

Seems like you're upset (your?) store is closing, but you're more interested in blaming a group of young people who actually came out and added their voice to those that are sick and dying, (didn't see hardly any people who were just "concerned" and not directly affected), as opposed to actively thinking about ways to actually stop the city from closing down the store.

So...what is your message? Should I not come to the next meeting? Do you want people to follow a set pattern while addressing the city council? What do you plan on saying? You seem to have lots of criticisms, but no ideas on what will actually make things better in regards to the stores.

"Stick to fnb, you're better at that." -

Are you watching from the trees, who the hell are you?

Personally, I really don't care if you write fat jokes, and how much I suck at talking to the city council. And personally, I rather be better at community organizing projects like (FNBs), and other things than talking to the city council. I didn't become involved in community organizing to talk to people that think a group of sick and dying people demanding that the city not cut off medicine to them is "bullshit", I interested in organizing and talking with people that will build popular and direct democratic movements that will be able to build counter power so we won't find ourselves in these situations.

If you want to keep with the snide comments, fine, I really don't care. If you're interested in starting a dialog about perhaps what local people can do to help keep the stores open - then please, we're all ears, (or is it eyes)?